
Jeff Somers, author of the Avery Cates series for Orbit stops by for a fun chat about his latest novel, world building and life at Orbit.
RBN: Bring readers up to speed on whats happened to Avery leading up to the opening of The Eternal Prison…
JS : We left Avery being arrested in the burned out shell of Pickering’s after he survived The Digital Plague. The Plague was actually a swarm of nano-sized robots that devoured and then animated the population, created under duress by one of Cates’ previous cohorts, Ty Kieth, and orchestrated by Kev Gatz, who was left for dead in The Electric Church. TEP picks up about five minutes later, so he’s still burned-out, suicidal, and depressed.
In those five minutes, however, Avery sang a haunting ballad about life being hard for honest assassins. It’s too bad you won’t hear it. It was very moving.
RBN: The first two books are pretty dark. I found Eternal Prison to really hit the noir vibe. It’s bleak man. Did you expect that going in?
JS: Yes – it’s going to keep getting dark, too. I see this whole universe as one in decline, and the stories reflect that. Avery’s got just a bit too much goodness in him, and so he suffers as everything collapses around him.
I believe that civilization is fragile, and we’re always walking a tightrope over a chasm of chaos. The System that Cates lives in is splitting at the seams and in rapid decline—it was actually more or less stable in the first book, so if you thought book one was grim, well, things are just getting worse. And they’ll continue to get worse as the books advance, trust me.
RBN: Did someone named Avery ever do something wrong to you cause you sure beat the shit out of your lead…
JS: No, but Avery’s a bad man, really. It feels right to mash him up a little. That’s honestly the reason he gets such a beating—he deserves it, man.
Although that would be cool, if someone named Avery had done me dirt and my revenge was to create an avatar of him on the page and beat that avatar mercilessly. I’ll have to keep that in mind going forward.
RBN: Early on I started to get a feeling that I knew where the story was going and then you completely pulled the rug out of me. Have you been waiting three books to deliver the twist that comes about midway thru Eternal Prison?
JS : No; I don’t ‘plot’ very much. I start off with a rough idea of where the story is going and what characters it will involve, then I put a bag over my head, bind my wrists in duct tape, force myself to drink an entire bottle of Peach Schnapps, and wake up months later, surprised and dehydrated. I’m usually just about as dumbfounded at the direction of the plot as anyone else. The particular twist in TEP was there when I first started thinking about that book, but I wasn’t thinking about it while writing the first two.
RBN: You introduce several interesting new characters, particularly Michaleen Garda. What can you tell us about him?
JS : I’ll keep it brief, as Michaleen will continue to factor into the stories: He’s already at the prison when Avery arrives, and takes Cates under his wing, so to speak. Cates quickly realizes the old man has an agenda, but Cates doesn’t realize the extent of that agenda—or of Michaleen’s reach—until some more story-time goes by.
I like Michaleen. He’s a cheerful psychopath, and if I have to have a psychopath in the room, I prefer them to be cheerful. He’s also a deep ocean of secrets, which is made very clear by the last line of the book.
RBN : You also really get out into this devastated world. I thought the descriptions of Venice were great. How do you “design” these versions of Avery’s world?
JS: Thanks! You start with the world as it is today, then add decades/centuries of neglect, violence, and climate change. I try to stay within reasonable boundaries—I don’t like it when SF/F stories set in the future go for huge obvious changes. There’s always the temptation to go wild, but Cates’ universe is pretty clearly connected to our own present—it can’t be that far in the future, right? It’s a world where technology advanced but the infrastructure of the world wasn’t upgraded in step, and was damaged along the way in various conflagrations and then never repaired.
My settings are sometimes influenced by where I’ve been; if I know a little something about a location it will usually end up as a setting because I can get into the small details. Sometimes it’s more surprising to the reader if the setting is more or less the same as it is today—we’re all expecting the dystopian version, so if things are familiar and functional it’s surprising and fresh. Sometimes, though, you want to remind everyone that things are in decline, so having Venice be flooded because somewhere in the last few decades or centuries people stopped trying to hold back the sea works.
And sometimes, of course, things are ruined in certain ways because it serves the plot, or because you can think of really cool ways to use that setting under those conditions. As long as it makes sense within the universe, it’s fun to give in to that temptation sometimes—judiciously.
RBN : In Digital Plague you have zombies and in Eternal Prison you up the ante with cannibals. Do you like throwing in horror elements into a sci fi setting?
JS: I don’t necessarily think of them as separate things. While of course there are genres and their tropes/expectations, I think it’s all just part of the same toybox. When I was a kid my brother and I used to have these epic games involving plastic army men, Legos, A Godzilla figure, model planes, and anything else we had lying around—it didn’t matter, we were just using our imaginations. I think of writing that way—if you hit a point and think, “Hey, it’d be cool if some zombies showed up”, why not do it, and genre conventions be damned!
Of course, that’s within reason. If your story is set in a recognizably SF sort of world, where everything is at least theoretically based on scientific concepts, you can’t really introduce unicorns and magic spells unless you’re some sort of supergenius. Which I am not. So there are some limitations. But I think that if you can come up with a pseudo-sciency explanation for it, you can toss it in and have fun. And that’s the point: stuff like that is fun.
RBN: There’s a tease for your next book, The Terminal State, in the back of this book. Did you always plan on continuing beyond the initial trilogy? How many volumes are you expecting to write featuring Avery?
JS: When I wrote the first book, “The Electric Church”, I conceived of it as a standalone story, but always thought I could return to the character/universe. Right now we’re planning on 5 books total in this arc. When Book #5 comes out, it’ll tie off the story of Avery’s last few years which we’ve been exploring. There might another series of books starring Avery, but right now that remains to be seen and there are no plans beyond book #5.
What I’ve started having fun with, though, are short stories starring Avery. We released 2 free shorts to celebrate The Eternal Prison, both set between books 1 and 2. I think even if there are no more Avery novels, it will be a lot of fun to sometimes return to Avery at random moments in his career and give little glimpses.
RBN: One of the things I think I like best about Avery is that no matter what, he remains a bastard. He might periodically do the right thing but it’s never because he thinks it’s the right thing. How much fun is it to have a lead who is so completely amoral?
JS: Tons of fun. A character that’s black and white—all hero, or all villain—is boring. Having someone who’s not a nice person but with some niceness in there, somewhere; well, that’s interesting. Of course, I also think Avery’s having the niceness beaten out of him over time, so who knows where he’s going to end. It probably won’t be a good place.
What makes it fun is exploring how someone who is born a sane and rational person gets transformed into someone who can put a gun to another person’s head and pull the trigger, then sleep at night, then have nightmares about it but still get up the next morning and do it again.
RBN: How’s life at Orbit these days?
JS: I love Orbit, and they’re thriving. I love the energy they bring to every aspect of the business, and I love my editor despite the fact that she doesn’t seem at all impressed with my antics. I think my antics are hilarious and insightful. My editor thinks I should be writing more.
RBN: Do you have any plans to write non Avery books? Any other genres you are itching to try?
JS: I’ve written lots of non-Avery books, actually. I’ve written non-SF books, too. I’m open to just about anything—if inspiration strikes, I don’t worry overmuch about what genre it is. Of course, my stories all tend to turn dark and often twist into SF/F at some point, but it’s never the plan, because there never is a plan.
It’s not the writing of books that’s the problem—it’s convincing someone to buy those books!
RBN: What’s next for you Jeff?
JS: Well, I just turned in Cates #4, The Terminal State, which is due out next year. In the mean time, I took part in The Stephen King Desktop Calendar, which has authors contributing short essays on how King has influenced them, and my short story “Sift, Almost Invisible, Through” will appear in the Mystery Writer’s of America’s upcoming anthology (edited by Charlaine Harris) Blood Lust, due out in early 2010.
That, and some napping.
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